Joined: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 37 Location: Forest Falls, CA; USA
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
I haven't heard of anything since my last post here. As a matter of fact I was going to attempt it again tonight, but without knowing how to hard code in the links for the modules I can't go further.
I too get blank pages with phpBB; and although Nuke says there are users, no one can log in.... as it is, I'll end up logged in as the "God" admin automatically if I go to the admin.php page itself initially, but cannot log in as a user or do anything BUT administration.
At this time, I simply have a "redirect" page for the forums that I set up for keeping people out of directories they're not supposed to be snooping around for Nuke's Forums link, so that the users for the WORKING phpBB I've had set up can still get there; they only get to browse the Nuke section of the site to see what it will look like, etc., when it's up and functioning properly.
I've also noticed that simply renaming the nuke_bb tables to nukebb_ doesn't ever work, because Nuke is instructed to look for the "nukebb.php" page in the Forums directory from Nuke's includes directory (Nuke's ported phpBB used to have its own includes directory, but now Nuke is set up with one includes directory for the whole site; which would work if you don't modify anything, but change something and it all goes to hell), and if those tables are gone then it simply will give error messages saying that "nuke_bbconfig" (or any other 'nuke_bb' table for that matter) doesn't exist, and that's as far as it will take you. I've followed the instructions for this integration to a "T" many times over, and get the same results every time.
It's just sooooo frustrating! I like Nuke itself, but I absolutely hate the ported phpBB they have.... Nuke has been promising to make the ported phpBB work like standalone phpBB as people just aren't happy with how it's been, but every new release brings no change. That's why I initially dropped Nuke and went to standalone phpBB last year, because standalone phpBB allows for so much modification so that you can make your site function the way you want it to.... Nuke's version of phpBB is crud, yet won't function without it.... so what does one do??? _________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't teach an old dog to make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke.
Last edited by Katatawnic on Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:24 pm; edited 1 time in total
Joined: Mar 03, 2003 Posts: 6233 Location: Washington Township, NJ, USA
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:24 am Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
Quote: › I've also noticed that simply renaming the nuke_bb tables to nukebb_ doesn't ever work, because Nuke is instructed to look for the "nukebb.php" page in the Forums directory from Nuke's includes directory (Nuke's ported phpBB used to have its own includes directory, but now Nuke is set up with one includes directory for the whole site; which would work if you don't modify anything, but change something and it all goes to hell)
yeah, the problem with nuke is that there are TOO many changes made structurally to the system with each release. phpBB, thankfully, doesn't suffer the same "new-feature-itis" syndrome. personally, phpNuke was at it's best around 6.5, it had everything you needed, and minimal fluff that you didn't. it would be impossible for me to maintain this integration for every new release that came out.
Quote: › It's just sooooo frustrating! I like Nuke itself, but I absolutely hate the ported phpBB they have
Amen.
Quote: › Nuke has been promising to make the ported phpBB work like standalone phpBB as people just aren't happy with how it's been, but every new release brings no change. That's why I initially dropped Nuke and went to standalone phpBB last year, because standalone phpBB allows for so much modification so that you can make your site function the way you want it to....
FB, phpNuke's dictator/developer, probably won't do this. I can think of several reasons:
1. He's more interested in adding more useless and exploit-prone code to phpNuke.
2. Most changes that are made (not new features) are just patches from other users.
3. phpBB is too big a thing for him to tackle. His methodology of programming phpNuke is VASTLY different than the way the phpBB team does it. IMHO, the phpBB methodology (template files, etc) is much superior to the way that phpNuke works. You can mess around with the template file without fscking up the php code that drives it.
Quote: › Nuke's version of phpBB is crud, yet won't function without it.... so what does one do???
I'm in the process of transitioning this site over to be strictly powered by phpBB. This does not mean that I will drop support for phpNuke. It's simply a matter of what is easier and more convenient for me to maintain. The Smartor phpBB2 portal is what you need. _________________
Joined: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 37 Location: Forest Falls, CA; USA
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
HAH!!! I came "this close" last night to making almost the exact same statements about FB as you did, Dari, but thought perhaps I should keep my "keyboard mouth" shut as I wasn't sure how you felt about someone posting on your site RE: someone else's so called programming (*cough* ripping off of others' programming *cough*) and how poor the "changes" are.
Nuke is probably going to go down the toilet sooner or later anyway, at least the Nuke that we've known. Too many REAL developers who've been fixing FB's screw ups have been disgruntled for exactly what you said: "Most changes that are made (not new features) are just patches from other users." I've seen countless news articles by well known Nuke developers who have "had it" with the Nuke "community" (FB in general LOL) and are constantly considering quitting altogether as they're tired of fixing what someone else broke and then even worse than that someone stealing what they did and putting HIS name on the copyright.
And yes, since VERY shortly after I switched over to standalone phpBB and dumped Nuke over a year ago, I started using Smartor's portal, and it works wonderfully. So perhaps I should stop banging my head against a wall over this whole Nuke thing and just stick with what I know WORKS.
phpBB has come along so far that one CAN mod it just about all one wants, and it still works.... that is the kind of program I need, since I'm grasping PHP much more than I did a year and a half ago when I began but I'm not savvy enough to know how to FIX the Nuke CMS and honestly I'm so very tired out.... AND this site that I have is made up mostly of "online friends" who've known each other for several years; they asked me to create a forums site because I was the only one of the "gang" who knew HTML, and that's how I ended up embarking on PHP to begin with. However, in trying to integrate Nuke with phpBB and make it work, all that I have BEEN doing is working: I haven't had the time or energy to have fun on my site with my friends.... my site is supposed to be fun for me as well as the users, as we were all a "gang" of online buddies per se to begin with and I want to have fun with my friends rather than constantly having to fix what's broken on the site!
And Dari, I truly hope you know that my post last night was not aimed at you in the least. Your tutorial is the closest I've seen anyone come to integrating the two programs, but I do know how much everything is changed with each "new" Nuke release, and it really IS extremely difficult (and in certain cases, like integrating Nuke with phpBB, highly improbable if not impossible) to keep up with the changes that come along seemingly monthly lately! How does one keep one's site up to date and still not lose all the work one has done if there are constant "upgrades" that are SO recommended due to security vulnerabilities that FB should NEVER be releasing to begin with, and especially when the structure of the program is so vastly changed every time?
At least phpBB's security upgrades not only rarely ever change the actual structure of the program, but they now also provide manual coding instructions for those with modded phpBB boards so that modified files don't have to be overwritten and then remodded anymore.... they didn't used to give very much support in that area, but they've really come around immensely. phpBB does care about their users as much as their own work.... they don't have such inflated egos that they only think of what THEY want rather than stopping to listen to those who use their program like FB.
So, I'm with you on this one.... I made a wise choice in dumping Nuke in order to have a board that works the way I and my users WANT it to work, and I'm personally going to simply stick to standalone phpBB and just forget about Nuke altogether, at least for now. (Hmmmm, I've said this before, but I really did believe that perhaps Nuke had improved since then. LOL) It'll save me a lot of headaches, time, energy, and I'll be able to get back to studying more (not a FUN thing, but necessary), as well as modding my phpBB board the way I/we want it AND still have time to have fun with my site rather than it continue to be a burden on me like it's been feeling for over a year now as I've been constantly searching for a way to still use Nuke yet have the functionality of the REAL phpBB.
I was getting close to dumping my site altogether actually, because of all of the work and no play, but I'll keep the site up and running as is and just continue using phpBB's mods and portals, etc.: stick to what I know will work.
Who knows? Perhaps someday FB will get tired of the Nuke community being fed up with him, all of the articles on REAL Nuke development sites RE: FB's screw ups and IMNSHO stealing other developers' fixes and copyrighting them under his name in his "new" releases; the vast number of developers and users alike calling out to FB to just leave Nuke to the REAL developers and go away, etc. If or when that happens, I truly believe that Nuke WILL be a much better program.
~~ Kat ~~
P.S.: I just Googled for an article comment I'd made at nukecops.com RE: my dumping Nuke, etc., over a year ago, but it seems that their site is down at this time.... hopefully a server or upgrade thing, as they are a great site and along with nukescripts.net are the REAL developers/fixers of Nuke. Anyhow, meanwhile I found this on FB's site, and it's full of whines and rants RE: the Nuke community "bashing" Nuke and FB in general. It just cracks me up to no end how much he whines, as well as points fingers at those who remove "his" copyrights from their footers, etc., when he's stealing other developers' work and putting it into his "new" releases and copyrighting them with his name; only chatserv and Tom (who did the initial phpBB port I believe; he gets the credit anyhow) ever get any credit for FB's "work" and yet he has the audacity to whine and gripe about copyright/GPL and people "talking down" FB in general. That's what I meant earlier about FB's ego. Well, when nukecops.com is back up, you can Google "katatawnic nukecops" or "katatawnic Nuke Cops - PHP-Nuke new development direction (part 2)" and you should find the article comment I'd posted.
Meanwhile, here's FB's rants pages, the "main" page (second link provided) is actually titled "PHP-Nuke: Bad, Bad, Bad" and that in and of itself makes me just ROFLMFAO!
http://phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=New ... ode=nested
Here is a RANT (attack on) about nukescripts.net .... one of the two major sites that FIX the security and other screw ups that FB puts out, and he's got the audacity to say that nukescripts.net is violating GPL.... and then goes as far as saying that the comments function/option is turned off because the arguments are useless?!?!? (He just can't handle it is all.... like they say, if you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen!!!)
http://phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=4
This is the "PHP-Nuke: Bad, Bad, Bad" mentioned above.... yep, after browsing that page I'm definitely dumping Nuke and sticking with what WORKS, as well as dumping all of the whines and rants that FB puts out. Why should I use a program that CHARGES for the "new" releases that end up free a week or so later, AND to top it off is so full of security and functionality bugs that nukecops.com and nukescripts.net, et al, have to FIX for users.... and then the "developer" (FB of course) points his finger at these people for "violiating" his copyrights? SHEESH!!!
OH, and on the second link, the first article refers to Google "banning" phpnuke.org from their search engine (I didn't know about this till today LOL), and FB's pretty ticked off. Aaawwwww!
OK, I'm done with my "book" here about FB for now.... he's simply not worth my time or energy or stress, I have enough to worry about in life. _________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't teach an old dog to make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke.
Last edited by Katatawnic on Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:27 pm; edited 1 time in total
Joined: Mar 03, 2003 Posts: 6233 Location: Washington Township, NJ, USA
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
Quote: › HAH!!! I came "this close" last night to making almost the exact same statements about FB as you did, Dari, but thought perhaps I should keep my "keyboard mouth" shut as I wasn't sure how you felt about someone posting on your site RE: someone else's so called programming (*cough* ripping off of others' programming *cough*) and how poor the "changes" are.
Hehe...feel free to post whatever you want in these forums. As long as it doesn't violate the AUP [nukedgallery.net] or the Forum Rules [nukedgallery.net], you won't be reprimanded.
Quote: › And Dari, I truly hope you know that my post last night was not aimed at you in the least.
No worries, I know
Quote: › OK, I'm done with my "book" here about FB for now.... he's simply not worth my time or energy or stress, I have enough to worry about in life.
Agreed
PHPNuke used to be a wonderful thing, and, as I said, up to version 6 point something, it was the best thing out there. But, as the security flaws grew, and as FB ignored them in favor of new features and his "club", the userbase became increasingly displeased with him. For the average Joe who wants a quick site with forums, etc, PHPNuke as it is now probably suits them best, since they will do a minimal amount of modifications to the code, making upgrades easy. For hardcore developers, though, it's another story. I've got a list that's about three pages long of modifications I've made to the code running this site. That makes an upgrade all but impossible. Ergo: I'm switching to phpBB in the future, since this site is primarily a support forum site. I will maintain a micro-site for phpNuke with the Gallery and Gallery2 demonstration albums available to the users. I will also continue development on the Gallery/PHPNuke side as well (well, as much as time will allow with a newborn coming into the picture in October).
Anyhow, I agree completely with everything you've said. Don't be shy to post your opinions here (well, actually, here [nukedgallery.net] or here [nukedgallery.net]). _________________
Joined: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 37 Location: Forest Falls, CA; USA
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
Heh heh heh.... well, I'm definitely full of opinions!
(I know I just left myself wide open for a smart ass remark there, but oh well.)
Thanks for those forum links, I found something interesting already that I wasn't aware existed on this site.... I've only been to the "integration tutorial" threads thus far. _________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't teach an old dog to make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke.
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
Phpnuke would be very nice if it were left alone to have time to grow due to users input and mods just as you said above. I think the biggest problem is that each phpnuke upgrade is a reason for the nuke site to make money by keeping it's members one step ahead of the rest by allowing them first access to each new release.
Joined: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 37 Location: Forest Falls, CA; USA
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:49 am Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
You've nailed that one right on the head!!!
Also remember, FB's "new" releases nearly always have the FIXES that nukescripts.net and nukecops.com, et al, code for Nuke users.... but aside from Chatserv's security fix (that he has to update constantly of course as FB keeps putting out more new versions that have MORE security holes), I never see anyone's name in the copyright/credits aside from FB.... isn't that stealing intellectual property? Open source does NOT mean ripping off others' work and putting your name on it!
~~ Kat ~~ _________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't teach an old dog to make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke.
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
Compleate begginner to all this phpnuke, phpbb2, php stuff.
Sql db on linux server running.
Sorry folks but i am having difficulties 2 i have tried the intergation process about 6 times now with limited and increasing luck every time gaining more and more understanding.
But still stuck and can't read code =:-{
The things is it all works togeather now phpnuke and nukebb2 together that still don't work in Nuke for me are.
PhpNuke ALL COOL SO FAR ALL WORKS fine
In Phpbb2, all but one thing
i'm quite lost but feel so close to sorting the my phpbb2 problem.
Please please can somebody help i tried to describe my issues preventing me from logging into phpbb2 and using private_messages i am completely lost an at an end and have tried everything these last Four weeks i feel like i have grown older by a year atleats, i've been everywhere.
please help!
Please for the love of god, if there is anyone out there that can solve this integration problem, please show some mercy and pitty on us less worthy and help with a clear and accurate and easy to follow solution to this issue.
It surely can't be that hard for someone who knows there shit.
You Would Go Down As A Global Internet Legend. Your source would be implemented and integrated into PHPnuke and Phpbb2 sites all over the world and people would share the joy you would have spread and people would wisper your name maybe even shout it out loud in public and the would say. "There goes the greatest man ever". Man i'd even do it if i could for that kind of respect and recognition.
Major S.O.S going out to those out there who know there stuff.
Respect people, and Please Help.
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
Have nearly all of the integration up and running the Your_Account and User/admin Login/out link works correctly and takes you to the relavent Sections admin/user/login/register section and you can register and edit your profile etc now all phpnuke works all the way through the reg process and registers users into phpbb2/nuke data base as temp user when fully registered as Users "NO BLANK PAGES OR ERRORS" anywhere on any pages just....
Just alitte more luck or some enlightenment and we will be there anytime soon
"WHO WROTE THE INTEGRATION"??
Please have and couple of simple question?
PHPBB2 Also all works fine??? just going to test and make sure
there are know issues....
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
I Tasted the water and it was sour to begin with but it grows on you eventually so, persistence, lose some sleep and when you wake again everything will be alright.
The integration does work fine, just a little finesse is required.
require a tweak or two nothing special. ??? need allittle help if possible please.
Someone!!
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Joined: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 37 Location: Forest Falls, CA; USA
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
WOW, you're a diligent one aren't you? I kept at it off and on myself, but finally gave up; as my previous posts show. However, I also haven't had time for the computer much at all until recently, spent the last few months house hunting and moving.
So let me get this right.... You used Nuke 7.8 and phpBB 2.0.1.6 correct?
It's apparent that you posted progress as you went along, but it's therefore a bit difficult to figure out just what steps made it work (or at least what you've accomplished so far), and if there is any order of certain changed steps.
You don't have your "revised version" of this integration in a text document per chance, do you? I just may have an inkling to try this yet again.
~~ Kat ~~ _________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't teach an old dog to make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke.
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
Please please just alittle help from anyone.....
Everything work great PM/Profiles/login/out/Your_Accounts/Db/registration? everything just having a little issue directing to the right address to my phpbb2 my link takes me to www.makemehot.co.uk/honda/phpbb2 but the bb board comes up as disabled for me but when my friend logins in its fine around his, but when i try it takes me to the same address but the board seems to be disables. but when i enter www.honda.makemehot.co.uk it works fine???
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Standalone phpBB2 integration within PHPNuke
Cool everthing seems to be working now except the admin login to administrate phpbb2 wont login after entering user name and pass then press login it keeps saying page can not be found???
Everything else in the integration is all cool
So far so good bit by bit step by step
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Well, when nukecops.com is back up, you can Google "katatawnic nukecops" or "katatawnic Nuke Cops - PHP-Nuke new development direction (part 2)" and you should find the article comment I'd posted.
Why should I use a program that CHARGES for the "new" releases that end up free a week or so later, AND to top it off is so full of security and functionality bugs that nukecops.com and nukescripts.net, et al, have to FIX for users.... and then the "developer" 
